Koranen i Birmingham II

Akademia, Arabere, England, Kristendom, København, Muslimer, Uddannelse, Videnskab, islam, muhammed — Drokles on September 2, 2015 at 5:25 am

Spencer fik ret i sin antagelse, Koranen i Birmingham, er ikke gode nyheder for islam. Midt på sommeren havde man i gamle arkiver i Birmingham i England fundet nogle gamle koran pergamenter, som man med en kulstof-14 metode kunne datere til Muhammeds egen tid. Men, viser det sig, endda lidt før Muhammeds tid, skriver Breitbart

Historian Tom Holland told the Sunday Times that evidence was now mounting that traditional accounts of Islam’s origins are wrong.

“It destabilises, to put it mildly, the idea that we can know anything with certainty about how the Koran emerged — and that in turn has implications for the historicity of Muhammad and the Companions [his followers],” he said.

Other very old Korans also seem to confirm that written texts were circulating before Mohammed’s death.

Needless to say, Muslim academics have disputed the claims. Mustafa Shah of London’s School of Oriental and African Studies (SOAS) said: “If anything, the manuscript has consolidated traditional accounts of the Koran’s origins.”

Meanwhile, Shady Hekmat Nasser from the University of Cambridge said: “We already know from our sources that the Koran was a closed text very early on in Islam, and these discoveries only attest to the accuracy of these sources.”

Dr Keith Small, a Koranic manuscript consultant at Oxford’s Bodleian Library, admits the carbon dating applies to the parchment, not the ink, while the calligraphy is characteristic of a later style.

Nevertheless, he believes the dates are probably correct and could raise serious questions for Islam.

“If the [carbon] dates apply to the parchment and the ink, and the dates across the entire range apply, then the Koran — or at least portions of it — pre-dates Muhammad, and moves back the years that an Arabic literary culture is in place well into the 500s.

“This gives more ground to what have been peripheral views of the Koran’s genesis, like that Muhammad and his early followers used a text that was already in existence and shaped it to fit their own political and theological agenda, rather than Muhammad receiving a revelation from heaven.

“This would radically alter the edifice of Islamic tradition and the history of the rise of Islam in late Near Eastern antiquity would have to be completely revised, somehow accounting for another book of scripture coming into existence 50 to 100 years before, and then also explaining how this was co-opted into what became the entity of Islam by around AD700.”

Man kan godt unde Robert Spencer lidt hoveren

The implication is that the text existed before it became part of the Qur’an — which would completely demolish the Islamic claim that the Qur’an was delivered in perfect form through Gabriel from Allah to Muhammad, and wasn’t based on any source texts at all.

On July 22, I wrote this about the same Qur’an manuscript: “So if this is a fragment of the Qur’an as it now stands…and yet it could date from as far back as 568, two years before Muhammad is supposed to have been born, it might not be a fragment of the Qur’an at all. It could instead be a portion of some source that later became part of the Qur’an…”

On July 27, I wrote that “this could be a portion of a pre-Islamic source for the Qur’an.”

Glad to see the academics catching up.

Det akademiske miljø, ser nu ikke ud til at indhente det forsømte, da Det Teologiske Fakultet ved Københavns Universitet fra januar næste år går den modsatte vej og udbyder en såkaldt fleksibel master i islamisk teologi, som kan lede til en egentlig ‘dansk’ imam-uddannelse skriver Kristeligt Dagblad. Første mand som underviser er Naveed Baig, om hvem Katrine Winkel Holm skrev

Baig har en fortid i Minjah-ul-Quran og gjorde sig i 90′erne bemærket ved offentligt at referere en opfordring til drab på frafaldne. “Hvis han ikke beder om tilgivelse eller lærer af sine fejl, har man ret til (pligt til) at dræbe ham”. Det var en gæste-imam, der udtalte denne shariabaserede opfattelse, som Baig omhyggeligt videregav - uden at distancere sig fra udsagnet. Da episoden i 2006 kom offentligt frem, nægtede Baig, der i mellemtiden har studeret ved et islamistisk studiecenter i Leicester, at tage afstand fra den.

To kommentarer fra gode venner: “At pergamentet er ældre end Mo er ikke det samme som at skriften på det også er. Der kan udmærket være tale om en palimpsest - koranblade skrevet på ældre pergament, hvor den oprindelige skrift er skrabet af.” - “Det væsentlige her er at islam fremstår som skrøbelig, og at dens egne lærde tvinges til ad-hoc-argumenter, fordi religionens integritet er så afhængig af ahistorisk mytologi.”

Tom Holland, ham med Islam - The Untold Story, forklarede sidste år, hvorfor han ikke anser den islamiske historie for valid og hvorfor det muslimske kleresi har gjort alt for at beskytte islam mod kritik (modsat kristendommen, der altid har været forundret over de fire Evangelier)

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